Showing posts with label Senneterre. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Senneterre. Show all posts

March 07, 2014

CFS Senneterre and GATR Site

CFS Senneterre

The location of RCAF Station Senneterre / CFS Senneterre, operational from 1953-1988, was a significant air defence station, as it was the fall-back in case North Bay (The Hole) were to be taken out by a nuclear strike.  Some ruins of the buildings exist, but many are still intact and in use, re-purposed by local businesses.


RCAF Station Senneterre / CFS Senneterre

CFS Senneterre GATR Site

A GATR (Ground-to-Air Transmit & Receive) station was set up in the early 1960s, and I'm unsure what of that location is still intact - it's up the road a little North of Senneterre. 

Locals report there is nothing at the top of the mountain... I suspect the foundation and stumps of antenna poles will still be present.  In late 2012 I tried to get to the Senneterre GATR site, unsuccessfully.  The road is quite wet, and I didn’t have the right footwear.  The trail would be passable by ATV, but there is a steel farm gate at the end.  Rubber boots would be required to get to the base of the mountain.


CFS Senneterre GATR Site
2014.03.07 Update: It seems like there is better satellite imagery than previously available, so here are three views of the site (HERE Maps is the best)


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Former site of the CFS Cenneterre GATR building and antenna farm
48.48089, -77.2093



Photos of CFS Senneterre Trip (October 2012)


Created with Admarket's flickrSLiDR.

November 01, 2012

Visit to RCAF Station Senneterre / CFS Senneterre

Mid-morning on October 20th 2012 myself and CE rolled up to the top of one of the peaks at Mont Bell, following Montee de la Tour, where the operations site of CFS Senneterre once scanned the horizon for Soviet bombers.  The site has been re-purposed by telcos and other companies that need the high ground for antenna equipment, and most of the buildings have fallen into disrepair.  The station was operational from 1953-1988, and the majority of the domestic site at the bottom of the hill is still very much in use today by the local population, the PMQs are in a very good stare of repair, and most sport new vinyl siding and new roofs.  The larger buildings (hospitals, schools, etc) are still intact, though it is unclear what some are being used for.  There seems to be a department of transportation and other provincial government usage of the buildings.  Following Chemin de Penetration we found one of the TX or RX buildings that I'm becoming familiar with, as the exact same design was at Foymount and Parent.  Surprisingly, it has been re-purposed by the local gun club as an indoor firing range - after all, it's a concrete building!  They have put a new roof on it, and walled up the windows.  In hindsight there was a 2nd building down Chemin de la Normick, which also looks to be a comms building, but we didn't head over there.  Down Rue Arthur Facteau there were garages and maintenance-looking buildings, that looked like they were occupied as well.  Unfortunately, it was foggy and raining, otherwise the view from the top would have been fantastic!  For other would-be explorers; there were no obstacles that a car couldn't drive over; no offroading needed to get to the top and tour around, it is paved all the way to the top!

Road to Senneterre GATR Site
After visiting the operations site and taking a spin through the rest of the station, we tried to get to the Ground to Air Transmit Receive site (GATR for short!), but had to turn around after a few Km walking through the wet grass and weeds because the road became too wet and muddy, we didn't even get to the mountain itself (but we could see it!)


Lessons Learned:
  • Do not drink to excess the night before exploring a Canadian Forces Station. *groan*
  • Bring offline satellite imagery on an iPad, Playbook, whatever to get a bird's eye view.
  • Bring Air Photos from the period when the station was active to get a better idea of where things are.
  • Do not expect cell coverage; while there may be, it may not be Rogers (my cell provider)
    (Telebec serves the Senneterre area, FYI)
  • Bring tall rubber boots
Upon returning from Senneterre I went back to digging through the archives of pinetreeline.org, which I've mentioned before has become defunct since the original webmaster passed away.  Luckily, through some new found friends, I have a copy of the site - which is available via the Way Back Machine or other services, but extremely difficult to trawl through. (THANKS GUYS!)

Here are some pictures, with some of their original captions, and some of my own comments.


Below is the Senneterre GATR site, we did not make it up there, but I'm fairly certain there is little left of the original radio towers and am not sure if there is even a building up there anymore   Local reports say there isn't anything, I'm hoping to find something hidden in the bushes!
GATR Site - 12 miles away from station, 1963
Courtesy CFS Senneterre 25th Anniversary Album. 


Notice the poles and antennas in the below picture?  I believe that's the RX site, which CE and I didn't see
PMC accident by the Receiver site, December 6th, 1960
LAC Mike Bitten runs into LAC David Dunbar on the way to the Receiver site
Courtesy Mike Bitten


I wish I'd seen this map beforehand as it would have proved most useful.  Thankfully I'll have it for the next trip.
Composition of Roadways (drawing of roads and buildings), June 1st 1953
Courtesy National Archives of Canada


To the best of my understanding, this is the original configuration of the station.
Notice the large operations site in the middle, and two flanking buildings with Radomes.
This was 1956.
The radar towers and the radomes at the operations site, April 1956
Courtesy Bunny Gammon



You'll notice a new building has been added with a walkway between the buildings.  The rightmost radar is likely the same FPS-6 that is now on display in Senneterre as a monument to those who served.
This was 1959.

Combined Mess with Operations site on the hill
Note that the new FPS-6 Height finder does not yet have a radome, June 1959
Courtesy Sherman Esliger


You'll see that the height finder radar on the right has been covered by a radome, and the other radomes and their radars have been removed.
This was 1960
Operations site, April 1960
Courtesy Jeannine Lizotte


This was 1965
Barracks in Domestic site, March 1965
Courtesy Phil Frankland.


There seems to have been an annex added between the operations building and the next one over.  I'm unsure of it's purpose.
This was 1979
The Combined Mess (foreground) with the Operations site perched on the hill, December 9th 1979
Courtesy Jim Compton


This was what the inside of the operations room in the central building looked like
Interior photo of the Operations room, November 1958
Upper level (L-R) Sammy Fehr (later married Sid Bennett), Pat Bourke (Ops B), F/L Bourassa (Senior Director).
Middle level - Jim Cabell (Forward Teller).
Lower Dias - Bill Stewart (Ident), Doug Joy, Cpl Betty Doucette (later married Ray Zuback), Cpl Gil Pettigrew.
Courtesy Fred Hoskins via Bill Stewart


Unfortunately, the operations building burned ~1990, and only the foundation remains
Remains of Operations building, 1991 Courtesy Paul Ozorak



RCAF Station Senneterre / CFS Senneterre




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October 28, 2012

Cold War Camping - Val D'Or, Senneterre, Ramore, North Bay

To update you on what I've been up to... The Val D'Or/Senneterre/Belleterre trip happened (October 19th - 22nd)!  But without Belleterre... There were a few on-the-fly changes to the camping trip; we couldn't get to the Senneterre GATR, and scratched Belleterre off the list after a major brake failure on the Suburban.  Both will need to be re-attempted in coming trips.

Here (below) is (more or less) where we went; I'm going to break out stories of the trip into multiple blog entries so they can be easily searched for down the road.


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Overall my impression of Val D'Or was much better than I expected.  It is clearly a booming town.  There is clearly money being spent there by the local workers, the local companies, and the local municipal government who's getting the taxes from everyone.  Good for you Val D'Or, you're not the armpit town I was expecting!  I mean that as a complement, honestly; from all the mining I was expecting a very dirty run down town - it was anything but!  Another surprising thing, to me, being from Montreal, Quebec - I was expecting at least some of the people in customer service to sneer, look down their nose, or otherwise be indignant to my traveling partner who spoke mainly English.  However, at no time anywhere in Val D'Or (or Senneterre) were we treated poorly, or given anything but welcoming smiles, when speaking English we were replied to in their best English.  I felt very much welcome.  Val D'Or was a picturesque town, with a busy main street, lots of parking, and clearly hopping with a booming economy driven by the local mining operations.  I'd go back again and again, I was very impressed with Val D'Or.  It surpassed all my expectations... and the food was *fantastic*.

As we failed to get to Belleterre, we headed to Ramore, and took a lot of pictures of what is left of Ramore AS / RCAF Station Ramore / CFS Ramore.  It was my first time checking out some of the domestic site, as the last time I concentrated on the operations site.

CFS Senneterre's buildings have has some holes punched in them, but generally they are intact, minus the Radomes, and provide a good idea of the footprint of a base.  The sloppy fence line allowed us to take pictures of things we shouldn't have on Telebec property.  No harm, no foul, I say...

On the way past North Bay (with 50% of the Suburban's brakes blown...) we stopped at CFB North Bay's BOMARC site to take pictures.  If we'd had more time, I would have talked to the owner and gone through the front door, but as it was I approached from the back and took pictures through the fence.

Here are all the pictures I have, I haven't excluded any, they are not very artsy, they are meant to document the trip :)